In the final interview of Season 2, you’re going to hear from Shawn Oates.

Shawn is a Christ follower, founder of Leaf, an app that helps you make group plans, co-host of a podcast called Two Black Sheep, and creative director at Allen & Ade. You can follow Shawn on Instagram @saoates or @twoblacksheeplive. Leaf is available on the app store. Search for Leaf- Group Plans Made 

Shawn and I had a great conversation about his podcast, his experience growing up in a predominantly white community, the struggle to settle into his identity, and the power of having a consistent group of friends in good times and also in the midst of struggle and grief.